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Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.22 14:45:00 - [1] Originally by: Gara Al'Malik The important thing is the game which is better now without ghost training. Explain how this changes the actual game at all, aside from DT running late since they implemented it due to the extra load it causes on the DB. Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans CCP is a greedy money chewing monster
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.22 15:30:00 - [2] Originally by: Yoa Loother Dear god will the whining NEVER END??? It was ALWAYS clear for people rubbing their 2 remaining braincells together that "Ghost Training" is a bug, and if we¦d be honest, we would admit that we got away with something that¦s unheard off in the whole world. Reality even. THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH !!11oneone!!!evelen You pay for eve to buy time for off&online training of skills and play. Subscription ends, therefore skill training time ends too. Obvious is obvious. 3 cells and up gives a different level of obviousness. If you think that CCP are deliberately not fixing 5 year old bugs which they had the code to fix 2 years ago (as this was never a feature of the Chinese server). Then quite frankly that's a lot worse. No other game in the whole world has a 20 year path before you max out. Comparing Eve to 'other games' on a single particular element is stupid at best. Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans CCP is a greedy money chewing monster
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.23 08:03:00 - [3] Originally by: Vladimir Ilych EULA Part 10 E CCP may update, upgrade or otherwise enhance the Software at any time, in its sole discretion, without obligation to you. EVE is CCP's game. I pay to play it. If the removal of the ghost train bug / feature causes you to not want to pay CCP to play this game then fine. They don't HAVE to tell you jack. See above. They don't actually have to have the servers ever available for you to login either. They could wait for you to pay your 12 month sub and then just turn off the servers forever. I don't think anyone's arguing that this is an EULA issue. Obviously CCP can do whatever the hell they want if they feel their game has no future and they just want to run it into the ground, they're perfectly free to do so. Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans CCP is a greedy money chewing monster
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.23 08:05:00 - [4] Originally by: Dern Al'Malik Originally by: Lord Fitz Originally by: Gara Al'Malik The important thing is the game which is better now without ghost training. Explain how this changes the actual game at all, aside from DT running late since they implemented it due to the extra load it causes on the DB. Removal of ghost training makes EVE more balanced. People were abusing the feature/bug/whatever to get many characters trained for the price of one. So they gained an advantage over the players that didn't abuse ghost training. 'balanced' ? You can buy isk using GTC's and then use that isk to buy a Character.... This has absolutely nothing to do with balance at all. If anything it just further pushes out of game advantages into the game. When you start talking about advantage in relation to how much money you pour into a game, you lose all right to talk about balance. Balance is how things are affected ingame, which is to say, not at all. Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans CCP is a greedy money chewing monster
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.23 08:08:00 - [5] Edited by: Lord Fitz on 23/10/2008 08:10:50 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Vama Mapri Well seeing as it's fair for them to say you can't train unless you've paid, shouldn't it also be fair for us to say we shouldn't get billed unless were actually in-game and using their equipement/servers ? It's fair for them to say so because that's what's in the contract: you pay for access to the servers. If you choose not to make good use of the goods or and services you acquire through that contract, then it's entirely your problem. If I buy a banana, then I have the right to eat it. If I choose not to exercise that right and it starts to sprout hairs, I can't exactly go back to the store and say "hey, I obviously didn't eat this banana, so please return my money." You don't actually pay for access to the servers. You actually merely pay for the right to pay them if you read the EULA. They don't have to let you login at all. In banana speak. It would be a shop with a sign up saying banana's $1, and you hand over your $1 and they say, sorry, read the fine print, every 100th customer only. You ask for your money back, but infact the fineprint on the sign if you read the back of it really closely means they're well within their rights. Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans CCP is a greedy money chewing monster
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.23 08:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Lord Fitz In banana speak. It would be a shop with a sign up saying banana's $1, and you hand over your $1 and they say, sorry, read the fine print, every 100th customer only. You ask for your money back, but infact the fineprint on the sign if you read the back of it really closely means they're well within their rights. Wellà I'd rather say that the fine print would say "Subject to banana availability." When you pay them, they agree to hand the banana over, should they happen to have one handy (and the only incentive they have to actually aquire any is that you'll grow tired waiting sooner or later and take your money elsewhere). CCP don't agree to have one handy. They only agree to think about maybe letting you have one if they feel like it. You can still hand over the money and not get anything for it. There is no incentive for them to give you what you think you paid for except that you might not give them any money again if they don't. (they already have your money from the initial purchase, and don't have to give you anything in return). Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans CCP is a greedy money chewing monster
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.10.23 10:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Lord Fitz CCP don't agree to have one handy. They only agree to think about maybe letting you have one if they feel like it. You can still hand over the money and not get anything for it. There is no incentive for them to give you what you think you paid for except that you might not give them any money again if they don't. (they already have your money from the initial purchase, and don't have to give you anything in return). Exactly what I'm saying. Right. And yet if the server was simply not available from 2 days time with no explanation as to why or if it would ever be back, there would be plenty of complaints, and yet CCP would still be within their rights in the EULA. Which is why the EULA has nothing at all to do with this. Just because you can legally do something, doesn't make it a good idea. Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans CCP is a greedy money chewing monster

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